2466 ldr volume vs. jtm45, 1987x, 1959 volume

[pat_don_el_lee]

I was wondering for those who have played them cranked or moderately cranked...How does the volume compare?

I was playing around on my 2466 on ldr with the master volume around 8, detail on 7, body 8 and mid boost engaged and it sounded pretty good with the neck pickup on my p90 equipped les paul and it wasn't too loud. Well, it was loud but I was anticipating extremely loud. Then, for fun, I quickly tapped the hdr button and it chirped so damn loud from the feedback I'm assuming. That was extremely loud. I've been looking at these vintage reissue amps and was wondering how their volume levels compare. People say they are loud but that can be subjective I suppose, so comparing to the ldr or hdr cranked on the 2466, how do they compare? Since most of the vintage reissue amps have 3 preamp tubes wouldn't it be similar to the ldr since only 3 of the 4 preamp tubes are active? I hope you guys understand my question. Thanks.

[surfnorthwest]

My advice is to lower the body and detail a bit, then with the master around 7 go into to HDR and use your guitars volume. It is ok to play loud with your guitars volume on 3-4. I am assumeing you want a cranked plexi tone, HDR will give it to you but you have to go easy on the body and detail and control everything at your guitar.

Try that.

Another option is to push LDR with a clean boost (not a overdrive), that is what I do.

The 2466 is louder then a JTM45 in LDR. About the same as a 1987 but not close to a 1959. When the amp kicks in the fourth preamp tube in HDR it will keep with a 1959 and be more then a 1987 or JTM45.

The 2466 pumps out 77 watts clean and 100 watt driven.

[pat_don_el_lee]

77 watts in ldr and 100 in high? Is that what you mean?

Why is it people say the 1987x isn't that much quieter than the 1959? If what you say is true about the ldr being close to a 1987 and hdr being close to a 1959 then that is quite a volume difference, the hdr is unbearable with high master volume, highish preamp volumes and guitar volume at 10.

[aristotle]

I was wondering for those who have played them cranked or moderately cranked...How does the volume compare?

I was playing around on my 2466 on ldr with the master volume around 8, detail on 7, body 8 and mid boost engaged and it sounded pretty good with the neck pickup on my p90 equipped les paul and it wasn't too loud. Well, it was loud but I was anticipating extremely loud. Then, for fun, I quickly tapped the hdr button and it chirped so damn loud from the feedback I'm assuming. That was extremely loud. I've been looking at these vintage reissue amps and was wondering how their volume levels compare. People say they are loud but that can be subjective I suppose, so comparing to the ldr or hdr cranked on the 2466, how do they compare? Since most of the vintage reissue amps have 3 preamp tubes wouldn't it be similar to the ldr since only 3 of the 4 preamp tubes are active? I hope you guys understand my question. Thanks.

Objectively, I'm sure that Surf is right. I have 3 variants of the JTM45 (offset reissue, 40th anniversary 45/100 and the vanilla JTM45) and more or less, all of them subjectively seem about the same volume as my 2466 in terms of perceived volume for the same level of gain tone when the 2466 is in LDR with mid-boost. So far as my 1959 is concerned...forget about it. To get the same level of gain tone with that, it's ear plugs or go deaf. Others may have a different experience, but I use the 1959 like I would a twin reverb. It's pedals all the way for gain tone anyplace that I'm playing (still waiting for that stadium gig...) Having said that, I love the 1959...just can't use it as it was probably designed for. Don't have a 1987, so can't comment on that... I don't use HDR much on the VM, but my subjective impression is that for the same level of gain tone, the VM doesn't hurt the ears as much as a 1959...but I usually have the MV no higher than 7 on the VM.

[SteveD]

Welcome to the forum pat_don_el_lee.

Forget 1959s and 1987s. The High Dynamic Range utilises the full potential of the amp in terms of clean to full gain at the span of your guitar's volume control, limited only by your settings of the Body, Detail and of course Master Volume. The Low Dynamic Range switch simply does what backing your guitar's volume down to about 2, 3 or 4 does to get your cleaner tones (hence the volume drop). If your pretty adept at using the guitar volume then you may not need to engage the LDR at all.

That said it's worth exploring the LDR in its own right as there are many ways to use the Vintage Modern!

[JamesD]

I've gone back and forth on using HDR, but at the moment I'm using LDR with a Maxon VOP-9 for some solo boost. I've found an awesome new setting in LDR that I think sounds and feels even a little better than the equivalent tone & gain on HDR with the guitar volume rolled back.

Either way, the VM is the best Marshall ever made!

[LiveFreeOrDie]

I stay in HDR with it being driven real hard. Using the guitar volume a lot more lately to get less gain when necessary.

[thunderkyss]

I was wondering for those who have played them cranked or moderately cranked...How does the volume compare?

I was playing around on my 2466 on ldr with the master volume around 8, detail on 7, body 8 and mid boost engaged and it sounded pretty good with the neck pickup on my p90 equipped les paul and it wasn't too loud. Well, it was loud but I was anticipating extremely loud. Then, for fun, I quickly tapped the hdr button and it chirped so damn loud from the feedback I'm assuming. That was extremely loud. I've been looking at these vintage reissue amps and was wondering how their volume levels compare. People say they are loud but that can be subjective I suppose, so comparing to the ldr or hdr cranked on the 2466, how do they compare? Since most of the vintage reissue amps have 3 preamp tubes wouldn't it be similar to the ldr since only 3 of the 4 preamp tubes are active? I hope you guys understand my question. Thanks.

I would think powerstage design would have more to do with perceived volume than the number of valves in the preamp stage. That's all about gain & tone.

I've got my JMP2204 & VM2466 plugged into my 425a. The JMP, I keep around 4~5 on the master volume. The VM ~6. The preamp on the JMP is like 8~9. On the VM, I've got the detail cranked all the way up & the Body at 6..... the volumes are pretty similar.

Cranking the master on the JMP though gives me more gain..... not so on the 2466.

I don't know why.

But that's cool, with the VM, those settings give me a pretty crunchy tone, right about where I want to be. The JMP on those settings are a little cleaner. The tone knobs are cranked on the VM, less than halfway on the JMP. Presence on both are around 6

[sugarkane]

I really shouldn't stick my head over the parapet like this but ... I'm going to disagree with Steve D ... oh, yeah - I know how to make myself popular round here.

Anyhow, i do NOT find LDR and HDR with guitar volume down low to sound the same. And a good thing too.

To me, IMHO etc., blah-blah-woof-woof - the usual caveats - the VM is two different sounding single channel amps for the price of one. They sound very different to my ears.

HDR loud or quiet has a classic Marshall rhythm and lead sound. Backing up the the guitar's volume cleans great to sound like a classic backed off Marshall. It's where I spend nearly all of time.

LDR doesn't sound like such an expected Marshall to me - it is capable of Fender-ish tones, especially cleans. But not exactly. Not like anything else, definitely not like a 1987/1959 or VM HDR cleaned up. Strats love, love, love LDR cleans and raunch.

LDR gain maxed has never sounded like HDR gain lowered. To me. Having tried it many times.