Here it is: Vintage Modern vs JVM 410

[Green Manalishi]

Sounds like the JVM will be the right one for you, Gold. Can't go wrong with that amp. Later on pickup a VM, then run 'em together!

[Slashwannabe1]

Haha, dude, you really love yourself don't you? I mean, who answers question like "I haven't heard the VM do X aggressive, tight tone... " with "Now you have." and posts a clip of themselves? I hesitate to even say, a clip of your band - calling a guitarist and a drummer a band is like saying, hey, me and my gang will beat you up, and your gang is you, your skinny little brother and your pet cat. And no, even if you could sing, the White Stripes still suck. :dance

Yes, thank you, full stacks push more air, I didn't know THAT But when you're recording, if you've got a half decent isolation room, you can push a single speaker that hard if you want anyway. And like I've already said, no one mikes a whole damn full stack.

Yeah, you're right. I totally missed the point of what you were saying. In fact, I don't see the point in half the posts you make, except just to show off how much you think of yourself.

Ok first you rip on the fact that I have a 2 person band currently, yeah that comment of yours doesn't even effect me, because last week we made $400 for a 2 and a half hour set just me on guitar and my drummer Dylan at a jerk water bar with free drinks and bbq. I don't care what you want to call me and my drummer Dylan, we make good money gigging just the 2 of us :screwU

You are still an idiot on the recording studio analogy! A lot of bands these days are lucky if they aren't using a Pro Tools simulated amp sound! and the bands that are using real amplifiers are miked in at least 2 places, different axis positions off the speaker cab and another mic placed away from the amp somewhere else in the room to gather room and outside amplifier sound dynamics.

Ok so I'm Zakk Wylde and the first amplifier I'm thinking of using to record the most Beefy Rhythm is a 10 watt 1x12 Fender combo? yeah not likely buster, he's going with no less than his JCM 800 half stack for his studio metal tones. Besides who cites Zakk Wylde as having the typical Metal sound? You are obviously more out of touch with Metal than you thought I was!.

The "now you have comment" I made was valid. Many people aren't even aware the VM can exceed 1970s gain, and my clips trounce the amount 1970s gain would have been able to even dream about. Its not even anything I've done, its all the Vintage Moderns glory not mine! Thats where you fail in reading my posts you condescending prick!.

Oh and Gold, I would recommend you try the Marshall JDM-1 amplifier, many great tones to be found there!.

[GoldFacePlate]

The verdict isn't out on the JDM-1 just yet, with so far too much negative reviews (usually from valve purists). I guess it will be a cool amp, and I will give it a shot as soon as I see one. Still I'm suprised to see how controversial Modeling amps can get, let alone VM's

[surfnorthwest]

Actually the verdict is in on the JMD and it is one great sounding versitle amp. Everyone that has tried it had very positive comments on it. Have you read anything here in the JMD section?

I have to say it again, the digital part of this amp cannot be compared to other modelers on the market, the technology is very different.

[mety]

... so far too much negative reviews ...

The Vintage Modern took a while to be accepted by the 'Internet Community' where everyone is an 'expert'. But - when many major artists started using them, those same 'experts' saw the VM in a completely different way and started heaping their praises on to it!

I feel the JMD will provoke a similar reaction.
Give it time...
I really think its a future classic.

[Taz5150]

If you like to fiddle and have the time to set up lots of different tones the JVM is cool. For me i have found a new dimension with the VM.... Simplicity !!! Less is definately more now !!! I have dumped a load of effects, which i have found were not neccessary and have gone back to a Strat, Wah (sometimes) and single channel amp 2266c 50w. Hell i have less stuff to carry around and my tone and understanding of the instrument is better too !!! I think sometimes we all chase the "ideal tone" and can overcomplicate things. I read that in the studio Metallica asked to get the Gary Moore tone from "Still got the blues", used a shit load of processors and stuff getting close to the sound. Gary Moore used his 5881 JTM/45, Les Paul and Mk 1 Guv'nor.....Less can be MOORE !!! Hehe ; ) Rob

[everton_fc]

+1 on that post above. I've also rolled the body and detail rigght back, and diming the master volume on HDR the amp sounds soooo fat!

[Mats A]

id say its the other way around, that it will take kt77s, cos they're a straight swap for el34s. but i havent read the jvm forums!

Wel,l he talked about putting KT66 valves in his JVM. KT77´s should work fine. Don´t lnow about the KT88´s.

Will it work to put KT88´s in a VM?

[Tnjpekar]

KT 77s work fine in a JVM, and actually have an impact on the tone of the amp, makes it sound more like a 6550 powered amp, a touch more glass if you will. also makes the bottom a bit more defined, and less smoothed out. I don't think the 66's are a direct drop in, nor would the 88's be without some modification to the amp

[GoldFacePlate]

well alright now...
just bought the JVM....it's sick as can be. Looking forward to messing around with the KT77, and down the road with the KT66 if it can be done.
I'm still a fan of the VM now, don't get me wrong, but my path led to the JVM410. Will be back from time to time, especially if VM goes to two channels!

[Tnjpekar]

in my main rig I run the VM2466 and the JVM410 in stereo thru a 1960av cab. my time based effects go thru the loop on the jvm, and I run it against my vm with anything from od2 red to clean green (very eric johnson sounding with a sweet chorus/echo patch from the lexi)
a voodoo labs amp switcher with the ground lift up for the jvm, and the rig is nice and quiet, but can make you cry or peel off your face at will.

[Kongels]

Why can't we all just get along?

I am glad you found an amp that works for you man. I don't think there is a right or wrong but you are gonna find the guys on this forum telling you to go VM almost everytime.

[GoldFacePlate]

Why can't we all just get along?

I am glad you found an amp that works for you man. I don't think there is a right or wrong but you are gonna find the guys on this forum telling you to go VM almost everytime.

I cant blame them, VM is a great amp.

[Slash1337]

Forum member Erik van Hyde has some badass tones as well

Wow, I for one had no idea the VM was capable of that and I've had it for sooo long!!! I usually go witht he JVM for the more heavier metal stuff, and the VM for everything else.

[spikei]

Two totally different amp both good but i gig with the JVM because i find it more versatile, there's not much it cant do, - fx loop, power amp loop, DI, two master volumes, 'great for solo boost' three modes per channel, midi, programmable etc etc. got to be the most versatile amp on the market.