1960A Classic cabinet and VM head

[chukka09]

Has anyone tried running a VM head through a 1960 Classic cab? How does it compare to the 425A? I believe the speakers in the Classic are the same as the 1960AX, no? Is this cab a decent alternative to the 425A or should I just hold out until I find a 425A?

[Ghostrider]

The 1960A has G12T-75 speakers which would not be the best for a amp like the VM. A 1960AX on the other hand is a great vintage cabinet that is loaded with greenbacks, would match up very nice with the vintage modern. I have the 425 cabinets which also have greenbacks that are said to be voiced a little different and those cabinets sound great with the amp.

[chukka09]

The 1960A has G12T-75 speakers which would not be the best for a amp like the VM. A 1960AX on the other hand is a great vintage cabinet that is loaded with greenbacks, would match up very nice with the vintage modern. I have the 425 cabinets which also have greenbacks that are said to be voiced a little different and those cabinets sound great with the amp.

No comment on the 1960A Classic cab though?

[Richiejb]

The 1960 classic cab also has the Greenbacks in them. I had one a few years ago. Any one of those three cabs will have the same speakers in them. (425, AX, Classic) I have two of the 1960AX cabs just cause I love the look more then any others. By the way those speakers sound great with the VM.

[SteveD]

The 425 has G12Cs which are a tweaked G12M.

[Mats A]

I´ve been told the 425 is better suited for high gain amps. How is it tweaked?

-- Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:51 am --

Also the 1960 Classic cab is no longer on Marshalls price list I´ve been told. So I guess it´s no longer in production. Think it can be specially ordered though. But it will cost more then.

-- Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:27 am --

Steve, you never told me wich of the G 12M and G 12C sounds most like a Greenback from the 1970´s?

[SteveD]

I´ve been told the 425 is better suited for high gain amps. SD: I can't think why that should be.

How is it tweaked? SD: That is Celestion and Marshall's business.

-- Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:51 am --

Also the 1960 Classic cab is no longer on Marshalls price list I´ve been told. So I guess it´s no longer in production. Think it can be specially ordered though. But it will cost more then.

-- Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:27 am --

Steve, you never told me wich of the G 12M and G 12C sounds most like a Greenback from the 1970´s?

SD: Why don't you just get a second hand 70s 4 x 12?

[Mats A]

It´s almost impossible to find second hand ones here in Sweden. Chances are there is something wrong with it or it has been reconed or something. I mean they are like 35 years old now.

Standard 1959/1987 or 70´s master amps you almost never see nowdays either. They are real expensive also.

I guess none of them sounds like a 70´s then. But maybe they sound closer than a 4x12 with Vintage 30 Celstions anyway?

-- Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:31 pm --

How is it tweaked? SD: That is Celestion and Marshall's business.

I didn´t mean exactly how it´s done. More like does it have more or less bass, mids and highs than a G12M 25W like inj the Classic cab?

[OdgeUK]

The G12C is modeled on an original G12M from 1966 to 67.

The G12C greenback's were referenced from a particularly fine set of mid 60s G12Ms.

The G12C is a G12M but voiced after a particularly nice vintage reference we had access to. We couldn't call it a G12M because that was already taken obviously, so we called it G12C which simply stands for G12 Ceramic. It is exclusive to the Limited Edition Hendrix and the Vintage Modern Series.

The G12C has been voiced to be the same as an original 'Golden Reference containing G12M's' we had which was absolutely beautiful - warm, balanced and woody.

On the difference between the G12M Heritage and the G12C: They are both versions of the original G12-Ms. They shouldn't really differ in punch, only voicing. They are both great speakers but the G12-C was specially devoloped to complement the Hendrix SUER100JH.

The G12-C is the speaker I developed with Celestion when I was doing the SUPER100JH. I couldn't find a current 'off the shelf' greenback that sounded 'right on the nose' for the early Hendrix sound (especially when a full stack of them was used) so I made some tweaks and tunings and finally arrived at what we eventually called the G12-C.

We couldn't call it a G12-M as that was already taken so we decided on G12-C which is what Celestion called their greenbacks before dividing them into Ms and Hs (The C stands for 'Ceramic' by the way which refers to the magnet material).

I decided to use the G12-Cs with the Vintage Modern range because it's fundamental tone is from that same period - 66 to 68.

SPKR-00095 = G12C with spade terminals and manufactured in China by Celestion’s OEM partner ‘GPE’ as used in the Vintage Modern series.

SPKR-00092 = G12C with solder terminals and manufactured in Celestions UK factory in Ipswich, as used in the Hendrix SUPER100JH 1982A and B cabs.

There is absolutely no sonic difference between the two at all.