What about 'new' Eminence speaker line?

[HappyBlues]

Hey guys, I just wanted to ask what do you have to say about Eminence Red Coat speaker series. I changed stock speaker of my Peavey Classic 30 to Eminence The Governor which was in fact a big improvement in sound. However, how do these speakers compare to Celestions? I know Marshall has to have reason not to put Eminence's in it's amplifiers, even lower class, but what were your experiences with Red Coat line? Did you try V30's clone, G12M20's clone, G12H30's clone or any other 'clone' of celestion speaker by eminence?

was just interested in your ideas...

my 2 cents are, that while they are decent speakers, better than what you find in low cost tube amps, they lack in detail, texture, and generally feel of a Celestion.

[MKB]

I was looking for quite a while for a G12H-30 with more power handling. After reading glowing reviews (like the Tone Report that called it their favorite new speaker), I tried a Eminence Wizard in a closed back cab with a Celestion V30. It's a match made in heaven; they complement each other perfectly, and the Wizard/V30 pair will handle a 2466 head with ease. It's in my main gigging cab right now. The only issue with the Wizard is that it doesn't seem to be recommended for use in an open back cab, but I plan to get another in the future and experiment with it. I actually like the Wizard a bit better than the original G12H-30 blackback I sold recently; the blackback was a tad too bright on the high end, where the Wizard is a bit mellower.

[MATHIEU]

I have been using two Eminence Red Fang speakers in a 1936 cabinet, 2266 head, for a little over a year. The Red Fang is an alinco magnet speaker, their version of a Celestion Blue, but 30 watts. After considerable break in, it is a great speaker, roll the volume down on your guitar for a great shimmery clean tone, turn it up and it is vintage rock. It does compress rather quickly, but that might be a plus or minus, depending on your style. Much louder than the stock Celestions. The combination sounds like Jimmy Page Zep live, not distorted, but overdriven, very distinct and articulate, not a Blizzard of Nails type Marshall sound. I don't think this combination would work well for Metal or Punk, but you be the judge.

[SteveD]

Welcome to the forum MATHIEU.

[lowenzz]

I like the Texas Heat and Red White and Blues. The Governor is going to be my next purchase, maybe with a Wizard along side it. I have had great experiances with the new Eminence line. A few references I am familiar with, These are not identical but Emi's take, inspired by and or improved on versions.

Gov'nor-V30
Wizard G12H-30
Tonespotter G12-65
Manowar G12T-75
Private Jack-G12M-25
Tonker-rumors of a "Fane-ish" type
Red Fang- Celestion Blue alnico

Red white and Blues- Jensen something or other
Screamin Eagle- JBL rumor
Texas Heat, no idea
Swamp thing, no idea
Supposedly there is a take on an EV as well, can't remember which right now.

Several booteeky type amp makers are using Emi's now. Roccaforte, some TwoRocks, Catalina, I think Splawn may be as well.

As far as Marshall and Celestion goes. Between tradition and the fact that both companies are based in England I believe those are two very strong factors for their continued relationship. Tradition is a huge factor, look at all the Gibson/Fender vintage and reissue lines they produce. Look at all the custom takes on the Ol' PAF. Seems the guitar enthusiast is quite resistant to change overall. If we weren't we'd all be playing funki Steinbergers or Godins with Roland outboard gear, not that that is a bad thing.

[SteveD]

We do actually use Eminence speakers on some ranges.

[joeellistsl]

I really like Eminence speakers. I own 3 amps a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue, a Vintage Modern 2266C, and a 2466 with an Avatar 2 X 12 cab. The first Eminence speaker I used was the Cannabis Rex in my Fender. It really has a smooth sound and reduced the brightness a tad, which I prefer.

I haven't changed the speakers in the 2266C yet, but I have ordered another Cannabis Rex and also a Wizard. I plan to experiment with a combination of these 2 speakers and the stock Celestion's. I run this amp together with the 2466. I use the 2466 for the cleaner tones and the 2266C for the overdriven tones.

When I purchased the Avatar cab, I had an option of around 6 Eminence speakers to choose from. I went to the Eminence site and listened to these speakers several times. I talked with the guy I purchased the cab from and asked him to experiment with different combinations. I told him what I wanted soundwise and also told him which speakers I was leaning toward. At any rate, we decided on a combination of the Cannabis Rex and Texas Heat. It sounds great. Exactly what I wanted. Good clean tone with punchy bass and they break up a little later than the Celestion speakers.

I feel like I will probably leave one of the Celestion speakers in the combo and replace the other with one of the Eminence speakers, but I will need to experiment for a while.

Both speaker manufacturer's make quality products.

[robbo]

I have only had my VM2466 for around a month (after retiring my KK head ) and have only used it with my 1960A cab loaded with Eminence GB128s.. sounds pretty darn good IMO!! (GB128s I'm told are based on Greenbacks.. (but which model I don't know)
I'm about to purchase (on a good deal) a 1960BV cab with 4 x V30s :dance ... a question: how does an Eminence greenback clone perform with a Celestion V30... (I'm thinking about putting 2 Celestion V30s in a X format with 2 Eminence BG128s in the new cab) ..really appreciate any opinions..

[lowenzz]

I have only had my VM2466 for around a month (after retiring my KK head ) and have only used it with my 1960A cab loaded with Eminence GB128s.. sounds pretty darn good IMO!! (GB128s I'm told are based on Greenbacks.. (but which model I don't know)
I'm about to purchase (on a good deal) a 1960BV cab with 4 x V30s :dance ... a question: how does an Eminence greenback clone perform with a Celestion V30... (I'm thinking about putting 2 Celestion V30s in a X format with 2 Eminence BG128s in the new cab) ..really appreciate any opinions..

alot of people like those speakers and I have also heard that they are Emi's take on the greenbacks. If the effeciency db levels are similar they might pair up nicely. Let us know how it works out.

[robbo]

..Good call! .. I'll go over to the respective websites and see if I can do some comparisons :) cheers

[surlybastard]

Hoping to revive this thread: I've had a 2266 for a couple of months which I play through a custom made 2x12 (similar to a 1936) with a Governor/Wizard combo in it using a Gibson LP Standard. I find on LDR it sounds great, very clear and punchy, but on HDR it gets uncontrollably fuzzy/buzzy/icepick. I think some people would call this 'brightness' but I find it to be overbearing and to my ear tends to overpower the the three dimensional nature of the overdrive (that you can hear buried under the layer of fizz). I can't eq it out, the only way to get rid of it is to run my attenuator which rolls off the enough of the frequency, but that also sacrifices a lot of the inherent punch and clarity of the amp. I've tried different tubes (JJ's) in the pre amp but that only made a minimal difference. Just wondering if anyone else had this issue, my next step is to try it through some different cabs and see what happens. My first test is my buddy has a 2x12 with Eminence Greenback clones. Anyone tried those?

Thanks

[Beck-Ola]

I love my pair of Private Jacks. To me they are slightly better than Greenbacks which are among my favorites. They sound every bit as good as the Scumbacks and Webers that I also have. The other Red Coats I've used have been top notch (Governor and Tonker). Have used the Swamp Thangs in the Patriot series as well. Eminence speakers are every bit as good as Celestions but none are carbon copies.

[surlybastard]

I love my pair of Private Jacks. To me they are slightly better than Greenbacks which are among my favorites. They sound every bit as good as the Scumbacks and Webers that I also have. The other Red Coats I've used have been top notch (Governor and Tonker). Have used the Swamp Thangs in the Patriot series as well. Eminence speakers are every bit as good as Celestions but none are carbon copies.

How do Private Jack's roll of the high's compared to other speakers you've played?

[slowpokerhino]

I think these are very interesting. Would have to try them in person first though.

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